Reverse engineer of PC-98 Touhou games retires

(rec98.nmlgc.net)

18 points | by mimasama 2 days ago

4 comments

  • numpad0 14 minutes ago
    > it is not only morally correct to pirate Windows Touhou, but in fact morally wrong to pay for it.

    > I have no interest in doing anything else in this scene, and especially no interest in working on closed-source games for a media empire in a humble doujin trenchcoat.

    wth is ... this anglosphere otakus assuming anime content creators to be high-double-to-mid-triple-digit millionaires only when they don't seem to be ones? I don't know how many digits are in the bank account for ZUN so there is a chance that he is a multiquadrillionaire, but it frankly looks like a twisted edge case of right makes might mindset rather than a logical argument.

    Though, granted, I am aware that it gets quite stressful when a seller isn't able to take your money.

  • haunter 41 minutes ago
    People should really read the whole thing (well at least the last chapter) because it's not as simple as "vibe coders made meg go away".

    The writer equally hates ZUN, vibe coders, and AI haters (Bluesky crowd)

    And if not then the TLDR is basically: ZUN made the games for japanese people. Western people wanted to play the games. Reverse engineers came along but they relied on community funding. Now the community is taken apart by vibe coders but the same community is not willing to fund manual labor. Also the community is still paying for ZUN which enforces the status quo of not bothering with english releases.

    • oceansky 39 minutes ago
      He does say LLMs made things worse, even if he's not opposed to it.
    • throwaway613746 24 minutes ago
      [dead]
  • oceansky 1 hour ago
    Although I love the new era of LLM assisted reverse engineering, it really breaks my heart how much it negatively affect veterans in their area of passion.
    • weezing 1 hour ago
      So was it really a passion project if it affects them anyhow? It's like saying that concept of dynamite fishing affects passionate anglers.
      • oceansky 56 minutes ago
        I don't see why it wouldn't, passion does not exists in a vacuum.
        • weezing 46 minutes ago
          So it's about visibility and not passion?
          • anonymous908213 45 minutes ago
            This idea that if you want recognition for your work you aren't passionate is literally insane. Humans are social creatures by nature, the two aren't in any way exclusive.
      • ginko 58 minutes ago
        Well if dynamite fishers show up in your favorite fishing spot you might want to consider moving somewhere else at least.
  • rvz 49 minutes ago
    What happened [0] to Lee Sedol (Expert Go Player) 10 years ago after playing against AlphaGo is now happening to everyone else.

    As I said before [1] we are all Lee Sedol.

    [0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50573071

    [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49505141

    • anonymous908213 46 minutes ago
      This is nothing like that. The disillusionment comes from imposters getting more attention and credit than the real thing. These shitty projects are nowhere near being superior to what a human can do, and most of them are blatantly lying and exaggerating their accomplishments. ie. dozens of "no emulator recompilations" that are actually just embedding an emulator into a binary with the game, and people are too fucking stupid to check and upvote it to the top of HN because we all love a good fraud here. Now this garbage can be mass-produced and get the adoration of the AI hype crowd, drowning out the content that people put hundreds/thousands of hours into despite the slop being of wildly inferior quality that doesn't hold up if you inspect it for longer than it takes you to click the upvote button. Not only here, but all over the internet. Of course it's demotivating.
      • grumbel 24 minutes ago
        > dozens of "no emulator recompilations" that are actually just embedding an emulator into a binary with the game

        Even those, which take about 20min, are incredible useful, as you can add save state, level select, cheats and gamepad controls on top that most emulators would struggle with or at least make a hell of a lot more complicated.

        > Now this garbage can be mass-produced and get the adoration of the AI hype crowd

        Those games wouldn't exist without AI. Decompiles that ended in a fully playable state have been incredible rare before AI. Best you would get was often just an incomplete reverse engineering of the data formats involved.

        • anonymous908213 6 minutes ago
          ??? emulators already had literally all of those things

          > Decompiles that ended in a fully playable state have been incredible rare before AI.

          Actual decompilations are still rare. I'm repeating myself here, but the vast majority of these, they're not doing much more than embedding an emulator. You have to understand that an emulator is sort of a JIT decompiler already. There are a few AI-accelerated ones that have some legitimacy to them but still involved months of human effort too, it is by no means as automated as the hypers would like you to believe.

      • thenthenthen 28 minutes ago
        Never stick your head out it seems is a legit tactic.
    • thenthenthen 30 minutes ago
      I need that on a tshirt